According to Foresight News, during the "Is DeFi Back?" topic discussion at the DeFi Summit Permissionless II co-sponsored by Blockworks and Bankless, when DeFi protocols should pay more attention to fees and TVL indicators, Uniswap Labs Chief Operating Officer Mary-Catherine Lader Said, "We pay more attention to user indicators, such as how many unique users and wallets are really active. To us, these numbers are more meaningful than TVL and fees. We can understand user needs and next-step construction directions from them, and Let more users participate." Permissionless II will be held at the Austin Convention Center in Austin, Texas, from September 11 to 13, local time in the United States.